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 Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:17 am Post subject: Opinions wanted re Advanced Lessons in a VXR8 ! |
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Hi, I am looking for feedback and opinions about our proposal to offer, (at the moment full licence holders only) a VXR8 on-road driving experience, advanced lessons or Pass Plus to drivers from the age of 17 years.
Would there be any interest in this and bearing in mind the actual running costs of the car never mind the instructor's time, what would people be prepared to pay eg for 2 hours, half day and full day for this? And is it something a driver would want to share with friends or family?
A private plate will be sorted out once paperwork comes through and we will be applying some sort of graphics to the car to show it is part of the driving school.
I will be taking the car to a private track on Sunday and although not run in yet and not a large wide track, it will give me the opprtunity to try it with the traction control and ESP off to let me see how it may be able to play !
Watch out for info on this site re advanced bookings being taken for Pass Plus and Advanced Lessons in the VXR8 ! |
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well what do you mean by advanced driving??
knockhill do an own car on road experience so probably best to start there for a reference point.
also, and i don't mean to sound cheeky , but what experuence would the instructor have at an advanced driving level ( eg ards qualified or the like ) |
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I'd love the chance to spank a VXR8!
Like many things, depends on the cost I guess.
Maybe something like 30 minutes on a track for somewhere around £50-70 might have some appeal?
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I fancied going for some advanced driving lessons myself now that you mention it  |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:16 am Post subject: Opinions wanted re Advanced Lessons in a VXR8 ! |
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| KC wrote: |
well what do you mean by advanced driving??
knockhill do an own car on road experience so probably best to start there for a reference point.
also, and i don't mean to sound cheeky , but what experuence would the instructor have at an advanced driving level ( eg ards qualified or the like ) |
At the moment it would be onroad lessons I would be interested in.
As well as my own normal driving experiences over the last 26 years in many cars including a Jaguar V12 XJS which I owned for 4 years, I have already conducted Fleet Training in a variety of customers own cars including Porsche Boxsters, Subarus and 4X4 Jaguars. In this instance appropriate insurance was provided by the delegate. I have also experienced several track sessions which have included Knockhill, Silverstone and Millbrook.
As well as being qualified ADI, I have been DSA Fleet Regd for 7 years, have my IAM, IAM Special Assessment, RoSPA Gold, RoSPA Diploma, DIAmond, I have trained many people to pass their ADI qualifications, their IAM as well as RoSPA Gold level over the 8 years I have been teaching, coaching or assessing.
Although not as powerful as the VXR8, a few years ago had my sons who were 12 and 14 at the time driving our Golf GT TDi at a disused airfield which we had hired, and as well as reaching triple figures on the drag strip
they were more than capable and comfortable driving the car the way you or I would round the race track layout. They also had fun driving the car with the ESP/traction control off in large figure of 8's and pushing it til it started to slide with the bends and turns, not many adults can do that and feel comfortable with it.
I would suggest that when you can teach under-age drivers to drive with the control and confidence they have shown, then adult licence holders are actually not that bad.
Although I have never been a Police Class 1 or 2, I do have experience in training police officers their standard driving course as well as having been an Emergency Responce Trainer, so bearing in mind it is onroad driving within the speed limits of our roads, my experience and understanding, as well as consistent application of the System is fine for what I want to do.
Now like all trainers should, I also want to broaden my own driving skills and experience and this is a good way to do that. In fact not only is it a good way...... it will be an extremely fun way to do it! |
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Off road with it, so I can get a shot!
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| S40T5_Ben wrote: |
I'd love the chance to spank a VXR8!
Like many things, depends on the cost I guess.
Maybe something like 30 minutes on a track for somewhere around £50-70 might have some appeal? |
£50-£70 would barely cover 30 min worth of petrol on knockhill in a vxr8! |
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| Yeti wrote: |
| Off road with it, so I can get a shot! |
you're still a banned driver so their insurance probably wouldn't cover you off road or not, the land is private but it's not owned by OBT.
Nice try tho Yeti LOL
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off topic but am sure a saw this on sunday night coming out of mackinhill looked fuckin gorj
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| piggycanflyuk wrote: |
| off topic but am sure a saw this on sunday night coming out of mackinhill looked fuckin gorj |
you could be doing with some driving lessons ya pie 
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to be perfectly honest theres a company that does this with a ferrari down south although i cant find out how much they charge and i personally wouldnt pay 50-70 quid for a 30 minute shot of it, it would be a good incentive to make people do advanced lessons, i know i would if i could do them in that!
but its still gonna cost a shit load more than advanced lessons in a normal car. the car is nice however im sure i seen it sitting at the front car park of the shawlands the other week? |
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but its still gonna cost a shit load more than advanced lessons in a normal car. the car is nice however im sure i seen it sitting at the front car park of the shawlands the other week? |
Possibly not true.
when I was learning with OBT I drove loads of different cars, from 1ltr corsas right up to a punto 1.8HGT (awsome car btw loved it), all lessons cost the same price.
I'm not saying I'm right and you are wrong and I'm sure Brian will reply to say one way or the other but don't assume anything 
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if you looking for opinions, in my opinion the amount you would have to charge would be more than what i would deem the experience to be worth in all honesty
nice car and all but it ain't a supercar and personally i wouldn't pay 50 quid for half a day, let alone what you would have to charge per hour for it to be a viable business venture
please don't think i'm having a go or being bitchy, simply giving my input as you asked
best of luck with it if you do go ahead with it
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:52 pm Post subject: Opinions wanted re Advanced Lessons in a VXR8 ! |
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| scott_evo wrote: |
to be perfectly honest theres a company that does this with a ferrari down south although i cant find out how much they charge and i personally wouldnt pay 50-70 quid for a 30 minute shot of it, it would be a good incentive to make people do advanced lessons, i know i would if i could do them in that!
but its still gonna cost a shit load more than advanced lessons in a normal car. the car is nice however im sure i seen it sitting at the front car park of the shawlands the other week? |
Yes that was the car.
We will try to keep the cost at a level that more can afford it rather than exclusive to only a few.
We have done this with our under age driving which is £25/hr at Hamilton and £30/hr at Ingliston for 1:1 with the instructor when Knockhill charge £119 for TEENDRIVE2 which is 2hrs shared with 2 others paying the same money which works out at a whopping £178.50/hr.
We are thinking of trying to keep the VXR8 onroad driving experience at £60/hr with a minimum 2hr booking and maybe a half day rate(4hrs) at £220 and a full day rate of £400 with an additional premium payable if the training session included track time. But still trying to sort out proper costings re insurance and fuel.
We may also be able to offer a 6hr Performance Pass Plus in the 2.2 Honda Civic or Golf GT TDI but the final 2, 3 or 4 hrs could be in the VXR8 and an additional fee would be charged for using the VXR8.
Watch this site for developments as we will post the information here first once costs & details are finalised. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:03 pm Post subject: Opinions wanted re Advanced Lessons in a VXR8 ! |
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If the car is booked out for a half or full day then although we are promoting 1:1 with the instructor there is nothing to stop the time being shared with up to 3 friends or family members.
If we can make the price any less then we will but remember Knockhill charge £219 for a 4hr onroad session in your own car albeit it also includes skid, steering and braking excercises.
If driven hard in low gears onroad this car will use 3 to 4 gallons of fuel an hour and then you have running and insurance costs, the latter of which is very heavy!
We are also looking at this as more of a promotional and advertsing tool so can offset some of the real costs in providing the sessions in the VXR8 simply as people will talk more about us as no-one else is doing it. |
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I would definately be interested in something like this, considering trading in for an M3 when the payments on the ST are finished but I would want to have reasonable experience of RWD before making the switch and this kind of programme would be ideal.
Only problem would be the price, £400 for a full day seems a bit on the steep side but I understand there are a lot of costs to cover. I would probably pay that but I would expect a lot for my money.
You seem very qualified for the job which fills me with confidence, and I have to say you have picked a very good car for this, the Monaro is one of my favourite cars!
I'll keep my eyes peeled for more information as it comes along 
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject: Opinions wanted re Advanced Lessons in a VXR8 ! |
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| Bex wrote: |
| scott_evo wrote: |
but its still gonna cost a shit load more than advanced lessons in a normal car. the car is nice however im sure i seen it sitting at the front car park of the shawlands the other week? |
Possibly not true.
when I was learning with OBT I drove loads of different cars, from 1ltr corsas right up to a punto 1.8HGT (awsome car btw loved it), all lessons cost the same price.
I'm not saying I'm right and you are wrong and I'm sure Brian will reply to say one way or the other but don't assume anything |
We charge £25/hr for Advanced and Pass Plus lessons and £30 /hr for Instructor Training and these are normally in your own car. Albeit to help the novice driver the Pass Plus can be done in our normal driving school cars for the same price. |
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| Excuse my ignorance but what is Performance Pass Plus and how does that differ from the normal one? |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:48 pm Post subject: Opinions wanted re Advanced Lessons in a VXR8 ! |
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| Taylor wrote: |
| Excuse my ignorance but what is Performance Pass Plus and how does that differ from the normal one? |
It is what we will call the Pass Plus if you do it in the car with better performance from your standard driving school car. It will cover all areas of normal Pass Plus but you are getting to experience it in a better 'Performance' car. |
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do you deem the £400 a day price tag to be more covering the costs for the 1 on 1 tuition or the use of the car, or an even mix between the two?
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| I dont think I would ever dream of paying 400 quid to be supervised to drive a car quite easily attainable to myself around the roads, and obviously your not going to hire it out to let people kick its peas in.. so I would say just keep it as your own car and enjoy it? |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:02 pm Post subject: Opinions wanted re Advanced Lesson in a VXR8 ! |
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| the_italian wrote: |
| do you deem the £400 a day price tag to be more covering the costs for the 1 on 1 tuition or the use of the car, or an even mix between the two? |
Hi and thanks for the comments.
You have pretty much hit the nail on the head with this one. it is a fairly even split between the two.
If you had a full day with us in YOUR OWN car for advanced training we could cover that for £200. This is very reasonable when others in the industry are charging that for a half day and more like £350 to £400 for the full day in your own car.
As previously said, we are trying to keep the cost of these sessions as neat as we can. |
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| Cally wrote: |
| I dont think I would ever dream of paying 400 quid to be supervised to drive a car quite easily attainable to myself around the roads, and obviously your not going to hire it out to let people kick its peas in.. so I would say just keep it as your own car and enjoy it? |
pretty similar to what i was thinking, and even though most companies are down south, for £420 a day you can hire an Audi R8, £430 a 997 turbo and £470 a DB9, and do what you want in it
hence my question because obviously with that training and back ground i imagine the focus is more on the whole 'pass plus' aspect and the experience that could be potentially passed onto you during the day, and subsquently an improvement in your driving ability
end of the day i'd still prefer a day on my own in an R8 im afraid
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: Opinions wanted re Advanced Lessons in a VXR8 ! |
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| Taylor wrote: |
| Excuse my ignorance but what is Performance Pass Plus and how does that differ from the normal one? |
It is what we will call the Pass Plus if you do it in the car with better performance from your standard driving school car. It will cover all areas of normal Pass Plus but you are getting to experience it in a better 'Performance' car. |
Do you charge extra for that?
I done all my lessons in the 2.2 Civic. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:08 pm Post subject: Opinions wanted re Advanced Lessons in a VXR8 ! |
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| Cally wrote: |
| I dont think I would ever dream of paying 400 quid to be supervised to drive a car quite easily attainable to myself around the roads, and obviously your not going to hire it out to let people kick its peas in.. so I would say just keep it as your own car and enjoy it? |
Well said.... that is why we are trying to target drivers who would not otherwise be able to attain and drive a car like this . . . . hence the VXR8 Experience ... . .and
We are also trying to target drivers who may or may not be able to attain this car but are willing or hoping to improve their driving. This we can do in our car or like most other many other driver training companies, can do it in your car for which we charge much less. |
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just thought of a question. you said in your first post that it would be an 'on the road experience'
so i take it the driver will be sticking to the road limits and conforming with all relevant laws?
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just thought of a question. you said in your first post that it would be an 'on the road experience'
so i take it the driver will be sticking to the road limits and conforming with all relevant laws? |
You don't need to exceed the speed limit to have fun. I drive the road from Stewarton to the M77 and back twice a week and have great pleasure in sitting at the 60mph limit along the straight bit while white van man sits behind me getting all stressed out because he doesn't have the power to overtake me then I continue at 60mph round all the tight windy bits and WVM is nowhere to be seen in the mirrors. What a shame. Do the same on my bike too, corners are the best bits, going 140mph in a straight line is no more fun or exciting to me than going 70mph in a straight line.
Just my opinion though! Embrace the corners!!
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| the_italian wrote: |
just thought of a question. you said in your first post that it would be an 'on the road experience'
so i take it the driver will be sticking to the road limits and conforming with all relevant laws? |
You don't need to exceed the speed limit to have fun. I drive the road from Stewarton to the M77 and back twice a week and have great pleasure in sitting at the 60mph limit along the straight bit while white van man sits behind me getting all stressed out because he doesn't have the power to overtake me then I continue at 60mph round all the tight windy bits and WVM is nowhere to be seen in the mirrors. What a shame. Do the same on my bike too, corners are the best bits, going 140mph in a straight line is no more fun or exciting to me than going 70mph in a straight line.
Just my opinion though! Embrace the corners!! |
I agree I love a good blat along the back road between hamilton and EK and you don't have to do stupid speeds to enjoy that kind of drive,.
I always enjoyed driving the learner car HGT Punto on that road too Dunno about Brian in the passenger seat mind you
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just thought of a question. you said in your first post that it would be an 'on the road experience'
so i take it the driver will be sticking to the road limits and conforming with all relevant laws? |
You don't need to exceed the speed limit to have fun. I drive the road from Stewarton to the M77 and back twice a week and have great pleasure in sitting at the 60mph limit along the straight bit while white van man sits behind me getting all stressed out because he doesn't have the power to overtake me then I continue at 60mph round all the tight windy bits and WVM is nowhere to be seen in the mirrors. What a shame. Do the same on my bike too, corners are the best bits, going 140mph in a straight line is no more fun or exciting to me than going 70mph in a straight line.
Just my opinion though! Embrace the corners!! |
i simply asked a question lol, don't you know what assumptions do?
and anyway, the whole point of this is performance, its a performance car, performance pass plus etc
a monaro's performance will be extremely limited if 30, 60 and 70 are the limits, as will the whole experience i would have imagined
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:29 pm Post subject: Opinions wanted re Advanced Lessons in a VXR8 ! |
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| the_italian wrote: |
just thought of a question. you said in your first post that it would be an 'on the road experience'
so i take it the driver will be sticking to the road limits and conforming with all relevant laws? |
For onroad lessons we would be driving witihn the speed limits and relevant RTA laws and if offroad is arranged then that brings in a different element to the drive and car.
Many people can enjoy very fast cars within the speed limits, this car handles exceptionally well in 2nd and 3rd gear. Only last week I went out with a former police instructor and Advanced Driving Examiner and he thoroughly enjoyed the time in the car. I drove from East Kilbride to Stirling and then cross country to Aberfoyle and on to Balloch and over Erskine Bridge back to East Kilbride again. it was a good mix of roads and the car took advantage of good multi-car overtaking opportunities which I wouldn't even have considered in the Golf GT TDi. |
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